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Tuesday, June 5, 2012

America Is Not N.T. Babylon As Many Think, Here Is Bible Proof


Of late, I have heard many, many people say America and or, NY City is N.T. Babylon. This has become the normal way of interpretation to most; in this teaching I will show you how this is not correct.

In Apologetics and any form of research you must follow the source, where did this America is N.T. Babylon theology come from, after much research, I can trace the original origin from Hal Lindsey and one other man, two men started this, Hal Lindsey the most known, and so after several years it became a truth, because two men said so. The connection is, almost ALL pre- trib rapture teachers now teach this as a gospel truth. There are some good solid watchmen, some also feel this to be true, I must disagree with them all.

I just heard on a four hour watchmens conference, a gathering of solid , bible believing watchmen, it was very interesting, but on the issue of America being N.T. Babylon they agreed to disagree as not all agreed as I do not, and here is why.

First, I must say America is a type of the N.T. Babylon, but not THE N.T. Babylon, I have seen and read a comparison list and yes, much fits and points to America.

Many said no country but America has sent more bibles, money and missionaries to the world, listen this has nothing to do with it and has nothing to do with N.T. Babylon. The other reason America has lead the way in missionary ventures is we are a new baby country and in a time when trains, planes and fast boats , modern technology made this a possibility, many can not believe America is no where to be found in bible prophecy, it is not. There are many dual prophecies we can apply to our sinful nation, but nowhere can we say America is mentioned in prophecy O.T. or N.T.

I have heard people who teach America is mentioned in prophecy, there teachings are obscure and at best grabbing for straws, and trying to force a square into a hole, simple fact the world does not revolve around America, we are not the center of the world, we are a new country. Now a dead one under judgment like many countries before.

In Rev CH 18 the Chapter that gives all the details I will touch on, I will first show something with a cross reference and than touch on the rest of chapter 18.

Rev 18:16  And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

Note this is N.T. Babylon, now look at the direct cross reference concerning the whore of Babylon, the whore of Babylon is the Roman Catholic Church, Rome.

Rev 17:3  So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet colored beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

Rev 17:4  And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet color, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Did you get that, the same dressings of the whore of Babylon and N.T. Babylon, this is a big give away and using the bible as our commentary, it proves this out. Note; You will see in this teaching I am using no commentaries, no Greek, just the word of God, and that’s it, plus current events.

1. Whore of Babylon-Rev 17:4  And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet color, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls,

2. N.T. Babylon the City Rome-Rev 18:16  And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

Would you not see just from this, it is the same and both are Rome.

Second, America no longer manufactures anything, jobs are all off shore, outsourced, we make nothing, we have become a nation of consumers, yet N.T. Babylon is great in Exports, America exports only war, movies and music, OH and Coke. LOL.

 Also the whole world hates America do to our wars of aggression, in Ch 18, many are weeping over its destruction, and lose of trade, we will be mourned by no one when America falls, most nations will have a big party, also N.T. Babylon is completely destroyed in one hour, this can not be, one hour, all of America would be gone. In addition, the saints are to flee Babylon in the trib as the destructions coming, America will fall travel limited, imposable as America becomes a doctoral communist country, so no saints could flee. Think on these things.

I am half Italian, by brother a builder, took a trip to Italy to get his dual citizenship , because he builds for the rich and famous, he was having trade trouble obtaining the certain costly Marble he needed, he could only get it from Italy, I also could have a dual Italian citizenship, but no money and no thank-you, its Babylon in Revelations. You will note in the list of exports Marble, America does not export Marble, not anything of any quality, only Rome. Italy, Greece. Fact, also the best cloth for suits and silk is from Italy as well as 3,000 dollar Italian shoes, so that’s covered, Italy is also more known than America for its wine’s, and its spices, food, hay I am Italian and a cook I know .

Rev 18:1  And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

Rev 18:2  And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

Rev 18:3  For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

Rev 18:4  And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Rev 18:5  For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

Rev 18:6  Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

Rev 18:7  How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

Rev 18:8  Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

Rev 18:9  And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

Rev 18:10  Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

Rev 18:11  And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

Rev 18:12  The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,

Rev 18:13  And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

Rev 18:14  And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.

Rev 18:15  The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,

Rev 18:16  And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

Rev 18:17  For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

Rev 18:18  And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

Rev 18:19  And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

Rev 18:20  Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

Rev 18:21  And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

Rev 18:22  And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;

Rev 18:23  And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

Rev 18:24  And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

I will be the first to admit NY City fits the bill, as a type of N.T. Babylon no doubt, the give away and the thing most overlook who teach this is the verses I will touch on.

Rev 18:24  And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

There is a coming Christian Persecution, but it cannot even be close to the deaths of the martyrs in Europe and the Protestant reformation, the coliseum of Rome where for sport Christians were killed.

 The lord forgets not the millions of Martyrs in the past, to date we have had only 3 Christian martyrs in old Mass, colony, Quakers 3 killed by the puritans. Its funny how Hal Lindsey the main source of this teaching and many other, New Rapture end time man made teachings has became as the word of God, it is not. Also Hal is a Baptist he denies any Prophets have walked the earth after the death of the Apostle John, and so how can he a Calvinist  over look the fact the death of prophets are mentioned in this N.T. Babylon, this is what many do, they take portions of verses and twist them to make a case, or false doctrine. Let that one settle in for a minute as He is the main teacher of this and a Baptist who says no prophets were ever in America, and yet the chapter says prophets are killed in Babylon, hmmm.

Rev 18:20  Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

Who was avenged? Apostles and Prophets, both Apostles and Prophets died in Rome, Paul is just one. I have proven in other teachings there are no more modern day apostles and gave the qualifications for an Apostle, they had to be on Earth when Jesus walked and they had to witness the resurrection, see Acts CH 1 and read the qualifications. Many call them selves Apostles, sorry the N.T. says what the qualifications are, these are self-appointed, and mostly false apostles in the Manifest sons of God camp, neo-Charismatics.

 The Apostles and Prophets were killed not in America, but in Rome, this alone is the dead give away and all I have to say, believe what you will, again yes we fit 100% the similitude of N.T. Babylon esp. NY city, but with what I just showed we see this is not possible.

Also, we are not making any nations rich, we have out sourced all our jobs, we make nothing and do little in America, but sin and evil. As said when America falls and becomes communist, travel will be restricted like old Germany, Russia, you just can not flee, some did, but to be told flee or else, we will not have that luxury or finances in the months ahead. The marble, wine, best suits shoes, spices, perfumes and such were all the major exports of Rome and Europe and Italy still is, they are the marble marvel of the world, This Nation is falling as all the euro, but understand we are in the birth pains not the tribulation.

 After the one world currency is established and world trade resumes, Rome, Italy will once again be the world exporter of the items I listed, this marble situation is a big give away, it is not an American export another dead give away, we also have no Apostles and N.T. Babylon is destroyed.

 The death of many Apostles and Prophets, and reformations in Rome by the catholic Church and ancient pagan Rome, and Jews was not in America. I hope this gives my point clearly and once again in context.

The same dress as the N.T. Babylon and the whore of Babylon, same. This is my opinion, and I believe it to be proper bible exposition and not the doctrine of men.


5 comments:

  1. / Thanks, Danny. Saw the following on the net. Any reaction to it? /

    Pretrib Rapture Pride

    Pretrib rapture promoters like Thomas Ice give the impression they know more than the early Church Fathers, the Reformers, the greatest Greek New Testament scholars including those who produced the KJV Bible, the founders of their favorite Bible schools, and even their own mentors!
    Ice's mentor, Dallas Sem. president John Walvoord, couldn't find anyone holding to pretrib before 1830 - and Walvoord called John Darby and his Brethren followers "the early pretribulationists" (RQ, pp. 160-62). Ice belittles Walvoord and claims that several pre-1830 persons, including "Pseudo-Ephraem" and a "Rev. Morgan Edwards," taught a pretrib rapture. Even though the first one viewed Antichrist's arrival as the only "imminent" event, Ice (and Grant Jeffrey) audaciously claim he expected an "imminent" pretrib rapture! And Ice (and John Bray) have covered up Edwards' historicism which made a pretrib rapture impossible! Google "Morgan Edwards' Rapture View" and journalist/historian Dave MacPherson's "Deceiving and Being Deceived" for documentation on these and similar historical distortions.
    The same pretrib defenders, when combing ancient books, deviously read "pretrib" into phrases like "before Armageddon," "before the final conflagration," and "escape all these things"!
    BTW, the KJV translators' other writings found in London's famed British Library (where MacPherson has researched) don't have even a hint of pretrib rapturism. Is it possible that Ice etc. have found pretrib "proof" in the KJV that its translators never found?
    Pretrib merchandisers like Ice claim that nothing is better pretrib proof than Rev. 3:10. They also cover up "Famous Rapture Watchers" (on Google) which shows how the greatest Greek NT scholars of all time interpreted it.
    Pretrib didn't flourish in America much before the 1909 Scofield Bible which has pretribby "explanatory notes" in its margins. Not seen in the margins was jailed forger Scofield's criminal record throughout his life that David Lutzweiler has documented in his recent book "The Praise of Folly" which is available online.
    Biola University's doctrinal statement says Christ's return is "premillennial" and "before the Tribulation." Although universities stand for "academic freedom," Biola has added these narrow, restrictive phrases - non-essentials the founders purposely didn't include in their original doctrinal statement when Biola was just a small Bible institute! And other Christian schools have also belittled their founders.
    Ice, BTW, has a "Ph.D" issued by a tiny Texas school that wasn't authorized to issue degrees! Ice now says that he's working on another "Ph.D" via the University of Wales in Britain. For light on the degrees of Ice's scholarliness, Google "Bogus degree scandal prompts calls to wind up University of Wales," "Thomas Ice (Bloopers)," "be careful in polemics - Peripatetic Learning," and "Walvoord Melts Ice." Also Google "Thomas Ice (Hired Gun)" - featured by media luminary Joe Ortiz on his Jan. 30, 2013 "End Times Passover" blog.

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  2. one of the best comment to date hands down thank you great stuff, all true

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  3. can see where roman catholism would be the whore of babylon but was wondering did they not translate the modern day bible also..which may have been edited, rearranged and or deleted a few parts..like how there is no letter j existing past 500 years ..doesnt even exist in hebrew, greek or latin...so why does all of a sudden is jesus and jehovah are the names...and if all bibles contain jesus what was the original name of god...hebrews werent even allowed to speak it so how in the world after 5775 years would we even know who to talk to names changes so much...and so does languages...shoot in some theres isnt even a y.....also there is a false sabbath of sunday which was changed at the council of laodacia just because romans did not want to be like the hebrews..and how is it that christmas and easter celebrate pagan gods like mithra and astarte and the US has so many of these pagan churches even with the tops of most of these churches have a steeple which came directly from babylonian egyptian obelisks..how do you leave babylon when theres no where else to go there are churches everywhere and in every country

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  4. No, a simple study of how we got the bible, the first translators, they were killed, hunted down in Germany where much was in print. The Catholic Church did not want the bible in the hands of the regular people. The Latin Vulgate is the source of the Catholic bibles translation.
    The Greek Textus Receptus and Hebrew Hebranica- Most early bibles only used these two translations. Later in came the LXX the O.T. And N.T in Greek.
    WE have the Scrivener and Nettle 29th Edition Greek, called Bayer's work.

    This is used in vines expository dictionary of O.T. And N.T. The initials for the Bayer, or schrivner-nettle text used. The Greek Textus Receptus is the gold standard. KJV old ones, from 1611 on, before KJV


    The Catholic Church conspiracy is the Catholics have hidden books, books not authored correct on and on. This is not true. They hated the bible in Greek as they believe only Latin to be of any power in it's use.

    Sabbath-The Jewish Sabbath is Saturday, the real day of the Sabbath, if you do the searching you will find on line or free add on books in the best free bible software E-Sword, with all add ons.
    Ancient Church history, I am taking 100A.D on we read the Christians were meeting on both Saturday and Sunday, long before Catholics were even around. Many saved Jews still have Church on Saturday, a Gentile has a choice, Read all of Galatians and see what Paul says on this matter. Today we have sacred name theology we have a new, old doctrine coming back, and its 100% wrong Jewdizers of the faith, those that say they are of the synagogue but are of the synagogue of Satan, lucifarians.

    The name , what did the Hebrews call Jehovah, understand the bible, Jehovah made his name first known as The I am that I am, this means the same as the name Jehovah, so he started with a name that was of his Character, later Jehovah was given as his name.

    Jesus is Greek is same as Joshua, this is where the Jewish render comes in Yeshuha- again same name different way of saying it, think what do they call Jesus in Russia, France, any other non- English language.

    I understand all about agree 100% with the pagan holidays, I do not observe any of them.
    I just did a message a few days back about the O.T. Covenant, law, Sabbath a lot of information see that one.

    Most of the world was on a lunar calendar, now most are in a solar calendar, Pope Gregory the second is the one that changed the lunar to sun calendar and for evil reasons SUN worship, SUN-Day, understand. Hence the Gregorian Calendar, the Catholics were doing as antchrist will do, change times and seasons all scholars agree as I do, this will be the antichrist making his worship day say on a Monday, and to mess up the ability to follow calculate the feasts, this is going on today.

    The Book of Enoch and others, found in the dead sea scrolls known as the Quarum caves, where the cult of the Essense made false writings, all about them on this site,both false books proven on this site and a very god link called Enoch exposed take a read.

    The N.T. Teaches, 'one man worships one day and esteems that day, another es stems all days the same, that is me, every day is the lords day'.
    I could go on and on, take a look around the site 1500 messages almost and a lot of deep study, insight and such is to be found.

    Lastly you said;

    churches have a steeple which came directly from Babylonian Egyptian obelisks.
    This is true and false, many churches have a cross no steeple, also it has to be an obelisk to be such as the George Washington Memorial, all sacred geometer of the Illuminati, NWO, kabbalah, lucifarians, Free Masons etc. Dark is dark, light is light.

    Sound like you have been watching some Revised world wide Church of God stuff or are a Adventists? Hope the information takes you in sound bible doctrine,,not doctrine of men, but our lord

    Thank you for your comment.


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  5. I agree Babylon is NOT "Amerigo"...America is a type of modern day Egypt...

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