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Saturday, June 30, 2012

WE ARE NOT IN THE TRIBULATION NOW And A Discernment Test- Also PT 2. On So Called Watchmen Like Steve Quayle



I have had it with all these who are teaching we are already in the tribulation.

 I posted concerning the role of a N.T. Watchmen, I said what a watchmen was, and is to do. I also said all theses current, so called watchmen, all, use non bible sources, and all say we are in the tribulation right now, only  one or two, believe in a rapture so they do not believe we are in the tribulation as 90% of the others do.

I mentioned the worldwide strange sounds anyone can hear on YT, and many say these are the trumpets of the seven-year tribulation. The most popular, well-known so-called watchman Steve Quayle uses more non-bible martial, like the book of Enoch and his Giants and star gate doctrine. I heard this very popular, considered number 1. main person, Steve Q, and he started the whole current so called watchmen ministry and, or call. He said we are already in the bible period of the bowls-Viles, of wrath being poured out, holy cow.

This fear monger scares the heck out of people, he also twists the bible, I have heard him speak hundreds of times, up until one month ago at a watchman's conference, only after this, has he stopped saying what he has been saying 40 plus years. On every interview, every radio show, coast to coast, (where he belongs) lol. This so-called watchmen speaks a lot of truth, but uses to support his theories pagan sources and esp. the book of Enoch. He always, and I mean always, twists one particular verse. For the last month Steve has been keeping most of what he has said on broadcasts, true and simple, that is a good thing.

I just heard a while ago, right after he started to sound as if maybe he changed, a whole show of the zombie plague that will be an actual thing sprayed on us to make mankind all zombies, and he used a very odd verse for it.

 Spray what they will, we have the helmet of salvation and we are given free will, not be against our will, or the lord’s divine protection, so our lord could not in holy righteousness allow us to become infected with a real zombie virus.

 In the same show he talked of there being 72 gates, portals, star gates, on earth and man is , according to Revelations unleashing these fallen angles of power, read the true story, an angle from heaven, not man, comes down to the river Euphrates and unleashes three demons, that is the lords doing, unlocking the strong angles in the river, not man, he says man is doing it and has already done it, 100% non scriptural.

He said an inside Intel told him when they powered up C.E.R.N. a portal opened and these eye witnesses said they were scared to death as they saw on the other side of this portal, star gate, evil creatures. C.E.R.N. is not a good thing, but again hear say, and the portal has been opened, and there are 72 of these star gates that man has created to let loose the demons on us, what can I say, if you believe this stuff , I pray for you.

 I was sad to listen to him go right back to his bizarre and very poor bible exposition on these events, and why? To scare you to death, I smell a true sy-op, like Alex Jones, these all sell gold, silver, food, books, hay if we are In, the near end, of the tribulation, why are they still sealing stuff? Ask yourself that, it's all about the money and using sources in the Intel world to tell the world via the internet, what they want to be told and it is all fear, so this is not of the lord

Please note; what a zombie is, it is traced to Voodoo, the queen bee, would give her servants a drug that made them sort of mindless than sent out to the field at night to harvest her crops, this is historical fact and what a zombie is, a zombie is not one who eats human flesh, do the research, this is cannibalism and demon possession, not a true zombie, look up on Wikipedia Voodoo, and see what a zombie is, they did not eat flesh, but were workers to work the crops. The zombie thing is from movies and are indeed not zombies as said, but demon possessed cannibals. Truth and a fact, look for yourself.

As in the days of Noah, he always stops in mid verse, and goes right into the book of Enoch and says we will all be devoured by Giants and unless the days be cut short, due to these monsters, no flesh would survive. Do you see what I mean, my burden, my soul cries out, so many are being deceived by him and others? This is how false teaching is done, let us break this down - A discernment teaching and test

1. Start with a verse, or part of a verse, or part of a Chapter, a bible truth, but not given in context.

2. Uses Pagan writing, prophecies from non Christian sources, and the book of Enoch, or the ultra pagan book called 'the book Of Giants' Google that one and see its source, it will  blow your mind, also the Hopi Indian Revelations, the lord bless the precious true native Americans, they were given a raw deal. But they worship the creation and not the creator, Pagan worship of all living spirits, the sun the moon etc. Next they use Intel from top secret sources, and code names for high Intel , like four star Generals, sources only known to them, and in the inner circle of what’s really going on. The Book Of Jubilees, ever read that? Intensely into dreams, visions and prophecy and place them equal with the bible. A lot of fear, fear, fear and no solution, but were all dead, real edifying, this promotes the NWO agenda to spread fear, and the devil uses fear, to put you in a hopeless state so you will want to die or just toss in the towel, so the effect is not of our lord at all.

3. Back to other verses, and he repeats over and over, never in context and more on non biblical, pagan writings, a verse, or in this example half of a verse, than in come the Book of Enoch and all flesh killed by Giants, they are said by his Intel, deep in a cave in N.Mexico there are hives of these giants is stasis, waiting to be let go.

4. In this example we read the half verse used, and than to Enoch. Discernment test folks ready.

Read post on False book of Enoch,
 http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=8985301793728199182#editor/target=post;postID=9168234131256842567


Jesus said, as in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the last days ( They end there and to Enoch they go) Jesus in the same verse said what?, As in the days of Noah, what is taking place? Eating, drinking, marring, given in marriage and than comes sudden destruction.

 I called this so called watchman out on this, and posted why do you always quote just half of the verse and go to Enoch, if your correct and all flesh is eaten alive by these giants, how is it JESUS said, not Enoch, that there would be eating and drinking, marriages? understand now, do you see how these wolves in sheep’s clothing twist the word and interject pagan doctrine to scare you to  death? No mention of Being eaten by Giants, but men eating, drinking and marrying, this is what was going on in the days of Noah, and this is what Jesus said, what Jesus says he means.

Next, I am speechless to hear so many, so called watchmen, all say we are well into the tribulation, how can this be, seal one has not been opened yet, seal one starts the tribulation and is the coming of the antichrist, where is the antichrist, the seven year peace treaty, the Temple?

 Many say the Anti Christ is not a person, but a system, like the NWO, and they say the temple is not a literal temple, I also wrote on that and posted a video teaching on this.

 Now this is no new orthodox theology I am writing about, It was recorded in the Anti-Nicene Father in 200A.D, just before 200A.D some of this orthodox bible prophecy was clearly understood by the Apostle Johns Disciples. Look at what this portion of the anti-Nicene Father Iranaeus said around 200A.D. Remember, he was the disciple of Clement and Polycarp, who were direct disciples of the Apostle John, the one who was given the book of Revelations by the lord, so I think the verbal teachings and truths they learned, far out weigh these current false teachers and false watchmen and prophecy teachers.

Chap. XXV. — The Fraud, Pride, and Tyrannical Kingdom of Antichrist, as Described by Daniel and Paul.

1. And not only by the particulars already mentioned, but also by means of the events which shall occur in the time of Antichrist is it shown that he, being an apostate and a robber, is anxious to be adored as God; and that, although a mere slave, he wishes himself to be proclaimed as a king.

For he (Antichrist) being endued with all the power of the devil, shall come, not as a righteous king, nor as a legitimate king, [i.e., one] in subjection to God, but an impious, unjust, and lawless one; as an apostate, iniquitous and murderous; as a robber, concentrating in himself [all] satanic apostasy, and setting aside idols to persuade [men] that he himself is God, raising up himself as the only idol, having in himself the multifarious errors of the other idols.

This he does, in order that they who do [now] worship the devil by means of many abominations, may serve himself by this one idol, of whom the apostle thus speaks in the second Epistle to the Thessalonians: “Unless there shall come a failing away first, and the man of sin shall be revealed, the son of perdition, who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself as if he were God.” The apostle therefore clearly points out his apostasy, and that he is lifted up above all that is called God, or that is worshipped — that is, above every idol — for these are indeed so called by men, but are not [really] gods; and that he will endeavour in a tyrannical manner to set himself forth as God.

2. Moreover, he (the apostle) has also pointed out this which I have shown in many ways, that the temple in Jerusalem was made by the direction of the true God. For the apostle himself, speaking in his own person, distinctly called it the temple of God.

 Now I have shown in the third book, that no one is termed God by the apostles when speaking for themselves, except Him who truly is God, the Father of our Lord, by whose directions the temple which is at Jerusalem was constructed for those purposes which I have already mentioned; in which [temple] the enemy shall sit, endeavouring to show himself as Christ, as the Lord also declares: “But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, which has been spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let him that readeth understand), then let those who are in Judea flee into the mountains; and he who is upon the house-top, let him not come down to take anything out of his house: for there shall then be great hardship, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, nor ever shall be.” (Mat_24:15, Mat_24:21)

3. Daniel too, looking forward to the end of the last kingdom, i.e., the ten last kings, amongst whom the kingdom of those men shall be partitioned, and upon whom the son of perdition shall come, declares that ten horns shall spring from the beast, and that another little horn shall arise in the midst of them, and that three of the former shall be rooted up before his face. He says: “And, behold, eyes were in this horn as the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking great things, and his look was more stout than his fellows.

 I was looking, and this horn made war against the saints, and prevailed against them, until the Ancient of days came and gave judgment to the saints of the most high God, and the time came, and the saints obtained the kingdom.” (Dan_7:8, etc.)

Then, further on, in the interpretation of the vision, there was said to him: “The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall excel all other kingdoms, and devour the whole earth, and tread it down, and cut it in pieces. And its ten horns are ten kings which shall arise; and after them shall arise another, who shall surpass in evil deeds all that were before him, and shall overthrow three kings; and he shall speak words against the most high God, and wear out the saints of the most high God, and shall purpose to change times and laws; and [everything] shall be given into his hand until a time of times and a half time,” (Dan_7:23, etc.) that is, for three years and six months, during which time, when he comes, he shall reign over the earth.

 Of whom also the Apostle Paul again, speaking in the second [Epistle] to the Thessalonians, and at the same time proclaiming the cause of his advent, thus says: “And then shall the wicked one be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus shall slay with the spirit of His mouth, and destroy by the presence of His coming; whose coming [i.e., the wicked one’s] is after the working of Satan, in all power, and signs, and portents of lies, and with all deceivableness of wickedness for those who perish; because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And therefore God will send them the working of error, that they may believe a lie; that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but gave consent to iniquity,” (2Th_2:8)

Note; I have posted that portion of the bible numerous times 2 Thess. Ch 2 verse 1-6

Chap. XXVI. — John and Daniel Have Predicted the Dissolution and Desolation of the Roman Empire, Which Shall Precede the End of the World and the Eternal Kingdom of Christ. The Gnostics Are Refuted, Those Tools of Satan, Who Invent Another Father Different from the Creator.

1. In a still clearer light has John, in the Apocalypse, indicated to the Lord’s disciples what shall happen in the last times, and concerning the ten kings who shall then arise, among whom the empire which now rules [the earth] shall be partitioned. He teaches us what the ten horns shall be which were seen by Daniel, telling us that thus it had been said to him: “And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, who have received no kingdom as yet, but shall receive power as if kings one hour with the beast.

 These have one mind, and give their strength and power to the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them, because He is the Lord of lords and the King of kings.” (Rev_17:12, etc.) It is manifest, therefore, that of these [potentates], he who is to come shall slay three, and subject the remainder to his power, and that he shall be himself the eighth among them. And they shall lay Babylon waste, and burn her with fire, and shall give their kingdom to the beast, and put the Church to flight.


This last portion clearly shows what this first bible commentary and disciple of John made clear concerning no rapture.

These writings are like commentaries, they are not equal with the bible, understand, these are writings of the first generation and second generation in early  Church history that had more verbal teaching than texts. It is bible works, based on the bible and not pagan or a false book like Enoch. We use commentaries today? This writer was the first one who did apologetic's, and commentaries in early Church history, so we get a snap shot of what early orthodox Christians were taught and believed and it lines up with the word. No rapture.( Pre-Tribulation Rapture)

 The antichrist, the temple all was known since the bible was written, most just refuse to heed the word and listen to doctrines of men.

Chap. XXVII. — The Future Judgment by Christ. Communion with and Separation from the Divine Being. The Eternal Punishment of Unbelievers.

1. If the Father, then, does not exercise judgment, [it follows] that judgment does not belong to Him, or that He consents to all those actions which take place; and if He does not judge, all persons will be equal, and accounted in the same condition. The advent of Christ will therefore be without an object, yea, absurd, inasmuch as [in that case] He exercises no judicial power.

 For “He came to divide a man against his father, and the daughter against the mother, and the daughter-in-law against the mother-in-law;” (Mat_10:25) and when two are in one bed, to take the one, and to leave the other; and of two women grinding at the mill, to take one and leave the other: (Luk_17:34) [also] at the time of the end, to order the reapers to collect first the tares together, and bind them in bundles, and burn them with unquenchable fire, but to gather up the wheat into the barn; (Mat_13:30) and to call the lambs into the kingdom prepared for them, but to send the goats into everlasting fire, which has been prepared by His Father for the devil and his angels.

 (Mat_25:33, etc.) And why is this? Has the Word come for the ruin and for the resurrection of many? For the ruin, certainly, of those who do not believe Him, to whom also He has threatened a greater damnation in the judgment-day than that of Sodom and Gomorrah; (Luk_10:12) but for the resurrection of believers, and those who do the will of His Father in heaven. If then the advent of the Son comes indeed alike to all, but is for the purpose of judging, and separating the believing from the unbelieving, since, as those who believe do His will agreeably to their own choice,
This clearly teaches what rapture teachers twist concerning one being taken and one left behind, this is orthodox, Christian Bible Prophecy.

UPDATE-Book No Longer Posted, working on a new one sorry,

I cannot stress enough how all true bible believers must arm themselves in these last days with these bible truths,  if not, you will be caught unaware and maybe even fall from the faith.

 I am so burdened over this, I must sound the holy alarm, as a Watchmen ( Pastor, Evangelist, Teachers Are to be watchmen) against false doctrine, that is the call of a true watchmen. There are a couple who call themselves watchmen that are Godly, sincere men, but all have been seduced by Steve Quayle, he is the ultimate one.



Ever listened to Steve Quayle, or his site,( I will give the link only for reference) start with his YT videos esp, more than a month old and you will hear, let your spirit discern this false man, and false teacher of pagan doctrine.
His site.

 I rarely say names, but posted, as a minister I am accountable, not to divide , or gossip, but expose false doctrines and people by name who are doing it, I also wrote on the bible mandate to do this and showed many verses on why it is Ok to do so. As Paul warned Timothy of Alexander the copper smith, and many others by name, not to mention when he refuted face to face The Apostle Peter.

And so this post is my virtual face to face and rebuke to Steve Quayle, and others.


 I could give a whole list of false prophets , false teachers, but a hit list is not what is intended, nor do I wish to over judge a man, but you know a tree by its fruit and its doctrine, if false, it must be exposed and brought to light. It’s a bible N.T Practice.

I try and drop a name here and there only when I am trying to teach on false doctrine and current false doctrines, teachers that are popular and leading the masses astray, not to do so would be in disobedience to Ezekiel CH 33, I added in the last post about this current online trend of false teachers. I mentioned Joel Olsteen ( Post Modern), Peter C.Wagner, Rick Joiner, and other Manifest sons of God, third wave revival, prosperity teachers, and the Toronto Airport movements and such.

If you have not done so , read the post on the Book of Enoch, it is not long and I would to God, the well meaning watchmen and teachers of prophecy who swear by this book would read that post and see why I have such a burden over this issue.

It is not time for confusion, but clear thought, sound doctrine, we need this in these last days, all of us, so we will not be fooled and tricked by the Antichrist , who will, if at all possible, lead astray the very elect, dear elect one, do not be one of them please read, the posts, read and re- read this one and use discernment, see if this is sound or not, use your mind and your sword and let us reason together, and may all come to know these critical truths, learn how to weed out all the false teachings, doctrines, prophets, that are all over the internet.






7 comments:

  1. why does Jude quote Enoch. Also 2 Peter quotes Enoch. -Anthony

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  2. Please read the message on this site the Book Of Enoch Book Of Demons That will answer your question.

    Those who think as you do have not looked into this unholy book, do the research its a click away, my friend. All the facts are there, start with the message on this post, odd place to defend a demonic book, after reading the message than comment.

    Jude was not quoting from Jude first off, see post. Googe the book of enoch exposed for a start.

    http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/book_of_enoch.htm

    it teaches angels are head of those that inherit salvation that i s demonic as only Jesus has that job and many other non biblical doctrines o f demons.

    Check the link, the facts out and I pray your eyes will be opened. Also early Jews had what is called Enoch and it was book 1, book 2,3,4, were found much later and were not written by Enoch at all 100% proof.

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  3. Many scholars say Jude and Peter were quoting from the O.T. other, most say both book do, but please in Jesus name check the link above and the two links I give here and than let us see what you have to say.

    http://www.ellenwhiteexposed.com/egw60.htm

    http://www.a-voice.org/qa/enoch.htm

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  4. / Hola, Danny. Here's something found on the web that you may like to read. /

    (This article reveals some research that is No. 1 on the "hate list" of many "fundy" Christians because it shows that their idolized "rapture" belief - the inspiration behind Lindsey's and LaHaye's all-time bestsellers - is only a 19th century invention and that credit long given to John Darby for it should go to a long unknown 15-year-old girl in Scotland!)


    Margaret Macdonald's Rapture Chart !

    "church" RAPTURE "church"
    (present age) (tribulation)

    In early 1830 Margaret was the very first one to see a pre-Antichrist (pretribulation) rapture in the Bible - and John Walvoord and Hal Lindsey lend support for this claim!
    Walvoord's "Rapture Question" (1979) says her view resembles the "partial-rapture view" and Lindsey's "The Rapture" (1983) admits that "she definitely teaches a partial rapture."
    But there's more. Lindsey (p. 26) says that partial rapturists see only "spiritual" Christians in the rapture and "unspiritual" ones left behind to endure Antichrist's trial. And Walvoord (p. 97) calls partial rapturists "pretribulationists"!
    Margaret's pretrib view was a partial rapture form of it since only those "filled with the Spirit" would be raptured before the revealing of the Antichrist. A few critics, who've been repeating more than researching, have noted "Church" in the tribulation section of her account. Since they haven't known that all partial rapturists see "Church" on earth after their pretrib rapture (see the "church-splitting" chart above), they've wrongly assumed that Margaret was a posttrib!
    In Sep. 1830 Edward Irving's journal "The Morning Watch" (hereafter: TMW) was the first to publicly reflect her novel view when it saw spiritual "Philadelphia" raptured before "the great tribulation" and unspiritual "Laodicea" left on earth.
    In Dec. 1830 John Darby (the so-called "father of dispensationalism" even though he wasn't first on any crucial aspect of it!) was still defending the historic posttrib rapture view in the "Christian Herald."
    Pretrib didn't spring from a "church/Israel" dichotomy, as many have assumed, but sprang from a "church/church" one, as we've seen, and was based only on symbols!
    But innate anti-Jewishness soon appeared. (As noted, TMW in Sep. 1830 saw only less worthy church members left behind.) In Sep. 1832 TMW said that less worthy church members and "Jews" would be left behind. But by Mar. 1833 TMW was sure that only "Jews" would face the Antichrist!
    As late as 1837 the non-dichotomous Darby saw the church "going in with Him to the marriage, to wit, with Jerusalem and the Jews." And he didn't clearly teach pretrib until 1839. His basis then was the Rev. 12:5 "man child...caught up" symbol he'd "borrowed" (without giving credit) from Irving who had been the first to use it for the same purpose in 1831!
    For related articles Google "X-Raying Margaret," "Edward Irving is Unnerving," "Pretrib Rapture's Missing Lines," "The Unoriginal John Darby," "Open Letter to Todd Strandberg," "Deceiving and Being Deceived" by D.M., "Pretrib Rapture Pride," "Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty" and "Scholars Weigh My Research." The most documented and accurate book on pretrib rapture history is "The Rapture Plot" (see Armageddon Books online) - a 300-pager that has hundreds of disarming facts (like the ones above) not found in any other source.

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    1. Margarets vision included a post trib rapture, not a pre trib. Also James Darby did not support her vision. He said she got it from he wrong spirit. Three years earlier when John Darby was on his sick bed, he got into the word and the Lord led him to rightly divide the word of truth of the scriptures for Israel and the two different destines of Israel and the body of Christ. Reformers always just bring out truth that is in the word of God but they are always called heretics. The claim that Darby supported the pre trib rapture of Margarets vision is a red red herring. There is a crown laid up for those looking for His appearing. Beware lest any man steal your crown.

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  5. I have heard of the rapture plot, read a few pages from it, i agree A+ work. So few think the truth on this big issue, I have a lot about it on this site, do me a favorite my brother, my first short PDF book The coming pte-trib-tribulation coming to America not a long read, I have many free books none are real long at all, also te last I wrote was the true bible prophecy time-line,much, all of what you just wrote is in the books mentioned love to hear if you like, not the grammar they are free unedited as i lost a few years back my editor, I am a writer that is bad in grammar and spelling sad, but many writers are the same
    thank you for your insightful and well stated truth
    Dan

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  6. Steve Quayle is pumping my fiction as fact.This link busts him open. https://www.reddit.com/r/writing/comments/4kw3xw/steve_quayle_is_pumping_my_fiction_like_its_a_fact/ #THELOSTBOOKOFKINGOG

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