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Saturday, August 25, 2012

The Gifts Come And Go, The Real Deal, Why I am A Believer Of This Theology



1Sa 3:1  And the child Samuel ministered unto the LORD before Eli. And the word of the LORD was precious in those days; there was no open vision.

Amo 8:11  Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

Amo 8:12  And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.

 Continuationism theology and Cessationism theology, What is it, first it is a real theology and not something I made up, later I will show what wikipedia says about it.

I have said at times through History there were no Spiritual Gifts moving, no outpouring of the Spirit. Many believe it died out until the famed Welsh revival and Azusa St Revival we all know about. That was then, this is now. What we mostly see is the false revival. In history around 200 A.D. the Gifts stopped, after there were many false outpourings, filled with false doctrine, cults and such, just like current history and today.

Some will argue, in the N.T. the Gifts of the Spirit never ended as Baptist and others believe, I agree, we do have a few accounts in early History where individuals or very small remnant groups had the real deal. The gifts never ended, but they do seem to stop at times.In the Foxes book of Martyrs, we read nothing of all these persecuted saints having any out pouring or any gifts.

I always said, Lord if there was ever a time your people needed it would it not have been then, during the past great persecutions.
History proves, not until the start of the welsh revival the gifts, outpourings were not in action. We would agree on that, but we agree, and the Holy Spirit said in a recent prophecy, He was going to bring a new explosion of the gifts to the true remnant Church, he started, I am in it and it is true.

History and currently, proves what I wrote before, when the Real deal is not being poured out the devil steps in with the false deal and deludes many with an experience and doctrines of demons. I just posted a 45 min vid on this. I wanted to say and get something across. I have learned in dry times, when the Spirit was not being poured out on me, I was left alone, just me and the word. The lord will come in waves, in times, and than you wonder what happened, did I sin you ask, no I have learned this happens so we will learn to stand on the word by faith and learn to trust the lord is alive and looking on us in love. He wants our faith muscles to grow and so he backs off and tests, to see if we have learned, if we will trust even when we feel, nothing. The time the next great persecution starts, and the days ahead we may see a time when we will feel, Lord where are you, as it is off with our heads, this is the ultimate test, can we stand strong on the word in faith, and trust the lord for miracles, without outpourings? This will be vital to not falling away in the now and in the days to come.

Right now the Spirit is being poured out as the Demonic spiritual warfare increases, our lord stops the flood of evil.

I have been in great revivals and a year or two later nothing, this happened in Church history after the great awaking. Writers say the rest of their ministry life they yearned to see the lord move in such a way again and never saw it . This shows us and teaches us it is all God, we can not work it up like the false manifestations do, we can not do anything, but wait and pray in faith. It is 100% a God thing and not a man thing, that is the other lesson.

The Spirit is falling on his remnant in might and power now, world wide, some have not got it yet, but if your truely one of his you will.

So, what is this theology, lets take a look.

Types of Cessationism

Cessationism has various forms and can be classified in different ways depending on the questions and issues on which Cessationists disagree.

Cessationism can be classified with regard to three questions: (i) the question of the presence of God's miraculous guidance, (ii) the question of the reemergence of the gifts and (iii) the question of justification of Cessationism.
With regard to the presence of God's miraculous guidance

Cessationism can be divided into two types.

    Classical Cessationism asserts that the "sign gifts" such as prophecy, healing and speaking in tongues ceased with the apostles and the finishing of the canon of Scripture. They only served as launching pads for the spreading of the Gospel; as affirmations of God's revelation. However, these Cessationists do believe that God still occasionally does miracles today, such as healings or divine guidance, so long as these "miracles" do not accredit new doctrine or add to the New Testament canon. Some Classical Cessationists believe that the miraculous gifts can take place where the message of salvation is being propagated to a tribe or nation which is unfamiliar with the Gospel. Richard Gaffin, John F. MacArthur and Daniel B. Wallace are perhaps the best-known classical Cessationists. Articles on this view can be found here: link
    Full Cessationism additionally asserts that no miracles are performed by God today. This argument, of course, depends on one's understanding of the term, "miracle." B. B. Warfield, J. Gresham Machen, F.N. Lee.

Thus while some Cessationists allow for God's miraculous guidance, the Cessationist allowance differ from the Continuationist in that a Cessationist contends that God's miraculous guidance is not through the operation of the Charismatic gifts.[1]
With regard to the reemergence of the gifts

With regard to the possibility of reemergence (reappearance) of charismatic gifts, we can distinguish between two versions of Cessationism: strong and moderate.
Strong Cessationism

The majority of Cessationists subscribe to the strong form of Cessationism. Examples of Cessationist literature propounding strong Cessationism are from Christians belonging to various denominations such as Conservative Baptist, Reformed Churches, etc.[2]

Strong Cessationism denies the possibility of a reemergence of the gifts on grounds of principle; that is, the denial is on a priori grounds: a strong Cessationist would deny the possibility of the existence or a reemergence of genuine God's prophets and healers in the post-Apostolic age, i.e. after the 1st century, no matter what – even if we met prophets or healers who prophesied/healed in the name of Jesus. A strong Cessationist would appeal to the principle of Sola Scriptura, insisting on three propositions:[3]

    the completion of the canon of the Bible
    the infallible and sufficient authority of the Bible
    the perfection of the Scriptures to guide the Church

According to a strong Cessationist, a person with a gift of power is also a prophet because healings and miracles were always signs associated with the divine confirmation of the genuineness of a prophet in the periods when God revealed new truths with respect to the doctrine.[4] A strong Cessationist might concede that prophecies might be useful in the guidance of the Church. Nevertheless, he will insist that the Church can be perfectly guided to reach the right decisions if it applies the principles, teachings and examples of the Bible.
Moderate Cessationism

There is not much literature on Moderate Cessationism, but the view is propounded by certain Brethren groups of Christians, such as Hopewell Mennonite Church of Reading, PA, Free Brethren House Churches of Christ.[5]

A moderate Cessationist would also deny the possibility of gifts on a priori grounds. He would deny the existence of manifestations of genuine charismatic gifts in the Church no matter what, even in the event of seeing apparent miracles or healing. However, a moderate Cessationist allows for the possibility of a new charismatic period in the future, when God would powerfully guide His people. This openness to the possibility of a new charismatic period is motivated by premillennialist eschatological expectations, where it is assumed that Christ's Second Coming will occur before the establishment of Christ's millennial kingdom on Earth. Within this premillennialist conceptual framework, the Great Tribulation is seen as a future period immediately preceding Christ's Coming. A moderate Cessationist would insist that the new charismatic period is possible only during the Great Tribulation for otherwise the genuine gifts would be in operation before the Tribulation, and, thus, charismatic gifts could not be rejected on grounds of principle. Moderate Cessationism is compatible with all premillennialist positions (pre-trib, post-trib, mid-trib and pre-wrath).[6]

The moderate Cessationist understanding of the principle of Sola Scriptura is almost identical to the strong one. A moderate Cessationist would agree with all three propositions of Strong Cessationism, but with an important qualification: all three propositions are valid only in the post-Apostolic Age of the Church before the Great Tribulation, i.e. in the period after the 1st century until the days of the Great Tribulation. Thus, in practical terms, both strong and moderate Cessationism are the same. They differ only in eschatological terms, whether the gifts will reemerge in the last days immediately preceding the time of Christ's Second Coming. The strong Cessationist eschatological view is not a premillennialist, and, thus, does not share the premillennialist conceptual framework, such as the premillennialist view of the Great Tribulation as something belonging to the future.[7]

Biblical grounds for moderate Cessationism is the reference to two powerful prophets of God, Rev 11:3-11. According to a moderate Cessationist, events described in Rev 11 are in the future, during the Great Tribulation. For this reason, a moderate Cessationist has a ready answer to the question why the Bible is so vague about the cessation of the charismatic gifts: the Bible is obscure on this point precisely because the gifts will reemerge during the Great Tribulation. A moderate Cessationist concludes that they will absolutely end at the Second Coming of our Lord, at the end of the Great Tribulation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessationism

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