Thursday, July 2, 2015
Post 1,500-The Vision & Beyond by David Wilkerson-1973, written 36 years ago-In His Own Words.
Sister Deb from N.V. sent me this information, I looked around the net, I saw #1. All News Pipeline, I never go there anymore I found out long ago it is ran by Steve Quayle himself, and an off shoot of the Q files. I kept looking and found some facts from the vision and beyond, I read the vision, I never heard he did another one, the vision and beyond. This was news to me.
Some key points from that book, I found on another site on blog spot, it was done in 2009 from the looks of the comments. I will just use Wilkerson's Own Words, as the other blogger is out dated, and only saw one post that the person did..
I first found many sites saying David Wilkerson is a false Prophet, full Gospel, and Non- full Gospel alike, they simply do not understand the N.T. Prophet, or one with gifts of Prophecy, it is 100% different, if predictions did not come to pass, after the N.T. was finished, My own life in prophetic ministry only for a 2 year time frame, many things did not unfold as thought, all of them are now. I said many times that came from watching to many You Tube people and not enough Prayer and only the word, since that has been corrected, not a word has fallen to the ground, but still some dates, things did not happen as said, but they are now. Example the 2010 Prophecy, “before the seed was sown", in 2010 the lord spoke to me, showed be water coming from Calico mountains and manna falling all over. This open vision just happens to be approx 200 yards from where the mission ended up being. Amazing. The 2010 Prophecy was about droughts and a famine.
Some words in 2010-2011 were all correct, happening now, all of it, if I had said very soon, and not the date? I could be called a false prophet myself, if you do not understand the word.
What many do not understand, and I have posted this many times. The N.T. says we know in part and we prophecy in part, this is 100% different from the O.T. if one who said they were a Prophet gave a predictive word that did not come to pass they were stoned, many more that were true holy Prophets were killed and not because of any false prophecy, it was because they prophesied against their country and dared to stand face to face with the rulers of their day. Example-A women if caught in Adultery was to be stoned, Jesus wrote with his finger in the sand, and looked up and said 'He who is without sin cast the first stone” Hay!!!!!! that is a false prophet not following the law of Moses, 'HE WAS GOD IN FLESH THE AUTHOR OF THE OLD AND NEW COVANAT' I think you get the pitcher, I hope so.
In Bible, Jewish history, and Early Church History, we read it was a more nasty crime they committed by being idol worshipers and worshiping satan. Prophets would renounce, call for repentance or else. Jerusalem embraced the false prophets they could buy off with wine, silver , gold, like today's T.V. ministries that still make millions a day, but no sound doctrine- watchman ministry, if real, will never see, nor want to see such income, no one will flock to you, you are laughed to scorn. That is a sign of the real deal. I know this first handed.
This ministry still sees no support at all, aside from one sister, that's it, I have come to terms with that. WE need a water boy water bucket it is do or die, we need bulk rice and beans, one person, same monthly giver, Deb sent a few things, we need medical supplies, white sheets etc. Note: I am taking about real specific needs and it will help save and minister to many lives, fact, I have seen this 4 years. I am not crying on T.V. begging to make huge offering, because I want a private Jet, or a 10th bedroom. It is to minister and save lives with food, water and most of the real sound doctrine bible truth declared.
The feeding of the 4,000 and 5,000, Jesus was saying I can not, send them on their way hungry, they have been with us three days, If I send them away like this, many will faint along the way.
The Apostates still supported, living in Ivory towers, that would not be, if people gave money to real ministries. I have had two people tell me, I would if I could, OK what about the many, many, more that come to this site, listen, we are in need of these things beloved and I am asking one last time. I have no one to ask, no where to turn this is my life's work. A great cost paid, but glory waits, what a say that will be, and it will not be soon for many, very soon.
I am angry, not because no one stands with us but a couple, I am angry because of the false doctrine, of the word of Faith, it has invaded the world, this I know from the college. These big names still get millions, small missions; we just suffer on and on and on.
So, it may be due to some words did not happen in said time frame, but now they are 100%.
David Wilkerson faced the same scorn and being laughed at. Many of his words came to pass, some are now, and some were wrong, does this make him a false prophet ...NO!!!! too much sound doctrine and truth.
The vision book two did say, a Greek or another area would fall and 2 weeks later Mexico would and than America, but it would not be a 100% annihilation of the USA. Wilkerson was my mentor 33 years, he was not my pope, or by god, he was a man, I always had disagreements with some things he said and did. I have never lifted any man up, never, no way, only Jesus.
I post a lot of Wilkerson and others, try and find such videos, is not easy now days, so few are left. In comes Sermon Index, not all Full Gospel, mostly NOT, but much sound doctrine and I say a big amen to that site.
Cyprus was bankrupt, Brazil, Argentina, Iceland, other places, some as far back as 3-4 years, and so to say Brazil or Greece defaults on an IMF loan there, and thus a two week time frame, true that is not a word that came to pass, this does not make Wilkerson a False Prophet .
We know in part and prophecy in part....the O.T. ways are over, we have a new covenant, the laws and such no longer apply to us, dietary, Saturday Sabbath, any day is a Sabbath, many people work weekends. This is fully explained in the post below.
The few things said from the Vision part two are;
1. Economic Crash Coming
“There is worldwide economic confusion just ahead. In my vision this is the clearest thing I have seen…Not only is the American Dollar headed for deep trouble, but so are all other world currencies. I see total economic confusion striking Europe first and then affecting Japan, the United States, Canada and all other nations shortly thereafter.” David Wilkerson, “The Vision & Beyond”
2. Everyone Will Be Affected
“…A recession of such magnitude that it will affect the lifestyle of nearly every wage earner in America and around the world.” David Wilkerson, “The Vision & Beyond”
3. Owners of Western Currency in Trouble
“Countries that now control huge amounts of Western currency are going to be in very deep trouble also … without a doubt, there are lean years ahead full of monetary confusion and despair. How soon is not clear, but it is not far away.”David Wilkerson, “The Vision & Beyond”
4. New World Monetary System
“There will develop a call for revamping all world monetary systems into one uniform system.”
David Wilkerson, “The Vision & Beyond”
5. Economists Confused
“The world’s greatest economists will be at a loss to explain the confusion and an international crisis of fear will develop.” David Wilkerson, “The Vision & Beyond”
6. False Boom
“A false economic boom will precede the recession–but it will be short lived.” David Wilkerson, “The Vision & Beyond”
7. A Few Good Years to Prepare
“The next few years (from 1973) will be among the most prosperous in the history of mankind...Sales will continue to break records and people will spend more than ever in modern history.” David Wilkerson, “The Vision & Beyond”
8. Uncontrolled Credit Debt
“Credit debt will become nearly uncontrollable. I see, very clearly, just a few years of tremendous affluence and continued economic prosperity. Inflation, costs and wages will spiral higher and higher. ” David Wilkerson, “The Vision & Beyond”
9. Bankruptcies of Major Corporations
“I believe we are going to witness the bankruptcies of some of this nations major and most popular corporations. I see tremendous difficulty arising for credit corporations. There are going to be many people unable to pay off their heavy obligations to major credit card companies, causing near chaos. Thousands of small businesses will also be forced into bankruptcies.” David Wilkerson, “The Vision & Beyond”
10. Government Panic
“The United States government is going to ‘overreact’ to the confused economical developments ... I see a flurry of near-panic decisions being made by various government agencies – but these hasty efforts to shore up the economy will backfire.” David Wilkerson, “The Vision & Beyond”
11. Auto Industry Hit Hard
“The auto industry is going to be hurt badly. Makers of recreational vehicles are going to get hit very hard.” David Wilkerson, “The Vision & Beyond”
12. Building Industry Setbacks
“The building industry is going to face many setbacks. Housing starts will level off. There is a terrible squeeze coming to the building industry.” David Wilkerson, “The Vision & Beyond”
13. Gold Will Not Provide Security
“The price of gold is going to rise astronomically but it will not be sustained over a long period of time…neither silver nor gold will offer real security ... Gold hoarders are going to get hurt – badly. This is one of the most significant predictions in this book.” David Wilkerson, “The Vision & Beyond”
14. Suicide by Overdose
“Economic setbacks and confusion will catch many unprepared for the consequences. Suicide will follow. Some very well-known people in the business world are going to commit suicide through overdoses of narcotics.” David Wilkerson, “The Vision & Beyond”
15. Confusion for the “Positive Thinking” Preachers
“Great losses, confusion, and reverses will shatter the thinking processes of many well-meaning people who falsely believe that their successes and economic well-being are the result of their own positive thinking. Jesus Christ Himself was an advocate of right thinking. But many good men have become worshippers of the power of the mind.” David Wilkerson, “The Vision & Beyond”
16. The United States to Be Blamed
“Although economic actions in Europe will trigger the coming recession, the United States will be blamed by most nations for what happens. France will become one of the most vicious anti-American nations in the world. Politicians and businessmen in Europe and Japan will place the blame on Washington and the American bankers.” David Wilkerson, “The Vision & Beyond”
17. Recovery From Recession
“There may be a full recovery…but the world economy will continue in confusion until the time of the Antichrist…. There will come a time in the future when men will be obsessed with buying, selling, planting, marrying, and divorcing—but it will be a time of false prosperity.” David Wilkerson, “The Vision & Beyond
18. Drastic Weather Changes
“The world is about to witness the beginnings of great sorrows brought about by history’s most drastic weather changes, earthquakes, floods terrible calamities – far surpassing anything ever yet witnessed.” David Wilkerson, “The Vision & Beyond”
19. Outbreaks of Epidemics
“In the aftermath of famine, floods and earthquakes, mankind faces the threat of new epidemics. There will a major cholera epidemic sweeping through various underdeveloped countries. India and Pakistan face the threat of untold thousands dying from epidemic and starvation.” David Wilkerson, “The Vision & Beyond”
“Famine is coming to the world in our generation and millions will die of starvation…” David Wilkerson, “The Vision & Beyond”
21. Depletion of Relief Funds
“Relief and disaster funds will become nearly depleted. Insurance companies will face huge losses.” David Wilkerson, “The Vision & Beyond”
22. Triple-X-Rated Movies on TV After Midnight
“Be warned — In the not-too-distant future, the most wicked, X-rated porno movies will be shown on select cable networks after midnight...People will pay to have these erotic movies piped directly into their living rooms. If left unguarded, little children can switch on a knob and be exposed to the vilest kind of sexual perversion…R-rated movies will be showing in prime time on network television. Porno movies on cable television will become so popular and so much in demand that the major networks will try to compete by showing films with as much sex and violence as they can show within legal limits.” David Wilkerson, “The Vision & Beyond”
23. Sex Education to Get In on the Act
“Students will be told that homosexual love is normal and that sex acts between unmarried is desirable— ‘if each has a high regard for the other’.” David Wilkerson, “The Vision & Beyond”
24. A Homosexual Epidemic
“When society no longer rejects their sin as abnormal and fully accepts them and encourages them in their abnormality, and when the church no longer preaches against it as sin and consoles them in their sexual activities—there no longer exist any hindering forces. The floodgates are open, and homosexuals are encouraged to continue in their sin. In my vision, I have seen these two roadblocks being swept away…you can expect more than one homosexual scandal in very high places.” “The homosexual community will become so militant and brazen that they will flaunt their sin on network talk shows very shortly.”
25. A Falling Away
“Moral standards among many church people will be shattered. Husband - and wife-swapping will be on the increase, and great numbers of young people will simply live together without getting married…A constant barrage of sex and nudity by all the media will vex the minds and souls of the most devout children of Christ. It will cause the love of many to grow cold. It will lead to carelessness and faithlessness. It will be the major cause of a great “falling away.” Those who stand against this flood of filth will be few, and they will be looked upon as “out of step” with an enlightened society and a more relevant church…Easy abortion, the pill, and a growing sexual permissiveness will contribute to a revolution of immorality…” David Wilkerson, “The Vision & Beyond”
26. A Last-Ditch Attempt to Deceive God’s Chosen
“The number one temptation for the last Christian will be prosperity…I see millions of Christians being deceived by prosperity. The last Christian is going to be afflicted by prosperity and tested by it more than through poverty… I see automobiles, clothes, motorcycles, and all kinds of materialism becoming a bigger hindrance to the Christian than drugs, sex, or alcohol. I see thousands of Christians attached to and obsessed by things. They are so wrapped up in materialism that they become lukewarm, blind, weak, and spiritually naked. Yet in the midst of all their materialism, they are miserable and totally dissatisfied.” David Wilkerson, “The Vision & Beyond”
27. An Increase of False Doctrines
“Men will prefer false doctrines and new ideas rather than the truth of God’s Holy Word. They will crowd around teachers who will give ‘new thoughts and revelations’. Men and women will turn to the prophecies and teachings of men rather than giving heed to the doctrines of truth. They will give heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils.” David Wilkerson, “The Vision & Beyond”
28. Sex Drug
“I believe a new sex drug will be concocted and distributed by the black market to teenagers and students. I will break down moral restraint and lead thousands of teenagers into promiscuous sex activity. David Wilkerson. "The Vision & Beyond"
29. A “Spirit of Persecution” Is Coming
“I see an hour of persecution coming such as mankind has never before witnessed…. An antichrist spirit will enter the hearts of certain men in high places, in government, and in the judicial system, causing these officials to engage in legal maneuvers designed to harass independent churches, missionaries, and ministers. There is already much evidence that this harassment has now started. I see a time coming when nearly all evangelical missionary projects, all religious radio and TV programming, and all incorporated missionary societies will be so closely monitored, questioned, and badgered that they will be cautious of expanding in any area.” David Wilkerson, “The Vision & Beyond”
30. Homosexuals and Lesbians Welcomed by super church
“Homosexual and lesbian ministers will be ordained and given places of authority in this church union, and will be heralded as a new breed of pioneer introducing new concepts of love and evangelism…I see coming, in nearly every major city in the United States and around the world, homosexual and lesbian churches catering exclusively to the spiritual needs of their own kind, with full recognition and support from organized religion.” David Wilkerson, “The Vision & Beyond”
31. Persecution From Hollywood
“Look for Hollywood to step up its attack against true religion with more exposé-type movies…more and more moviemakers will attempt to debunk puritanical moral values. Gospel-preaching churches and ministers will come under special attack, while at the same time the occult and witchcraft will be glorified and sensationalized…TV comedy shows will become bolder and bolder in poking fun at Christ and true Christians.” David Wilkerson, “The Vision & Beyond”
32. Persecution Through Taxation of Churches
“There is coming an attempt to tax churches and church- related organizations. Atheistic forces, with the help of the American Civil Liberties Union, will push this matter all the way to the Supreme Court. A temporary setback will not stop them from pushing for Congressional action. A legal setback by the courts will not stop their long-range action.... Church-related businesses will be taxed first … The IRS may, one day, become one of the most powerful weapons against the church.” David Wilkerson, “The Vision & Beyond”
33. Satan Ministers
“There will be ‘Satan evangelists’, mostly young people who will actually preach about the power of Satan and who will zealously work at making converts. Ouija boards, tarot cards, horoscopes, and occult books will be passed around and devoured by young people seeking truth.”
34. Killer Diseases
“Jesus said that in these days of tribulation, ‘Men’s hearts will fail them for fear of watching what is happening upon the earth”. In America, the number one killer disease is already heart failure. Medical authorities say venereal disease is no longer just an epidemic — it is an uncontrollable pandemic of frightening proportions. Scientists warn of new strains of germs, viruses, and vermin that are resistant to poisons and chemicals and threaten to upset the balance of nature.”
David Wilkerson, “The Vision & Beyond”
35. Burning Oil Fields
“Before the great holocaust, there will be smaller holocausts. The oil fields of the Middle East will be ablaze, and the smoke will rise night and day as a warning of the greater holocaust yet to come. There will be bombs falling on oil fields, shipping docks and storage tanks.” David Wilkerson, “The Vision & Beyond”
36. Governmental Bankruptcy
“New York City faces economic and social disaster. The sword of judgment hanging over the city will fall suddenly. Overnight, changes will happen, changes never before known to the American mind. Bankruptcy will happen. A temporary reprieve will falter. Short-range encouraging signs will be swallowed up in lightning-like events that will bring on bankruptcy. America’s queen city will declare bankruptcy.” David Wilkerson, “The Vision & Beyond”
37. Rising Unemployment
“What God did to the city of Jerusalem in the time of the prophet Zechariah, he will do again to the cities of America. When building the temple, the inhabitants were reminded what God did when judgment was upon them: ‘…there were no jobs, no wages, no security…crime was rampant’.” (Zechariah 8:10, LB). David Wilkerson, “The Vision & Beyond”
“Six weeks prior to the disaster, the Holy Spirit forewarned our pastoral staff that a calamity was coming. We had scheduled several major events for the weeks ahead, including our Missions Conference and Youth Convention. But God’s Spirit prompted us to cancel them all. Instead, we felt stirred to call our congregation to prayer.
During this visitation from the Lord, the Holy Ghost revealed there was a reason for the weeping in our hearts. We were being so moved because a tragedy was coming. A severe calamity was coming to the nation. And even though we didn’t know what it was, our hearts were stirred to intercede concerning it. Then suddenly, the calamity struck.”
“Terrorists unleashed an astonishing air assault on America’s military and financial power centers yesterday morning, hijacking four commercial jets and then crashing them into the World Trade Center in New York, the Pentagon and the Pennsylvania countryside.”
The Washington Post, 09/12/01
This sounds like today's headlines.
I put only what Wilkerson said down so you can see what was said, and see things do not always happen no matter how Godly when we set dates, something I do not do anymore , aside from many things about 2015.
The greatest Prophet John The Baptists did no signs and wonders, no prophecy's he was saying the lord was coming, that was it, in the end he said 'I baptize you with water, he comes that will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire" came to pass in Acts Ch 2. All else was a strong renouncing of sin, preaching repent, repent, this is no longer wanted, no longer what most want to listen to.
N.T.-O.T. Prophecy, understand the difference and REPENT, may that truth never change.
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Dan 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
Dan 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.
Hab 2:3 For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.